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Update to my meeting with an elder
by Goldminer in.
first of all,sorry for being so late with my update.my wife got up at 8 am this morning so i didn't have the opportunity to be alone for a while.. as for the meeting last night,the elder was very civil,actually commended me for writing my questions down.he never made threaths,asked me if i read apostate material or if i still considered myself a jw.. we started with the 607 question.he will not believe any research beyond the wt's but said he'd do more research on it(all wt) so i guess that will go no where.he believes that ctr got it right by using the bible so i told him if it was figured out 130 years ago,it should be very simple to explain today.the only time he looked stunned was when i showed him from the wt that they once believed that jesus' presence began in 1874.he said he had never read that and tried to walk around it even when i asked him if jehovah wanted his people to believe something that wasn't true.. we beat around a few other questions with nothing concrete coming out of it.he did take my list home with him and said he'd look at them more carefully to get some scriptural answers.i also got the feeling that my wife got a spiritual boost from his visit which was very disheartening to me.anyways,i'm going to work on this 607 thing and see how things go.my wife asked me if i felt like we got somewhere and i said no.beibg told that something is the truth just because the wt says so just doesn't convince me anymore.. i'm attaching my questions,hopefully they show up here.thanks everybody,i feel really down,like i'm wasting my time.i've been wanting to run from this religion for years and here i am still fighting to prove my points.. goldminer.
p.s.-question files won't load-sorry.
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A letter to a friend - Final one that I sent -
by AK - Jeff insome time back i posted a first draft, and then a new draft of a letter to a friend that is still in the borg.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/94229/1.ashx .
i found the truth is not true, and that the organization is not what it seemed.
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They Came at me at work.......
by delilah inthere is a "sister" and her daughter, that come to visit different ones at my place of business.
they usually come about 3 times a month, to read a scripture or a paragraph from a magazine, to a couple of people.
they then say hello to me, and leave after making their wt and awake placements.
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How I am dealing with "The Bible says you have to go to all the meetings!!"
by Check_Your_Premises inhere is the basic approach i am going to use.
my wife is a newly dunked dub, and my kids have been hearing the propaganda for about 3 years now.
i figured out it was a cult about 6 months ago.
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My wife is thinking of quitting the "truth"!
by Goldminer in.
last night my wife said she was thinking about quitting the truth.she says she finds it too hard with me having doubts and not wanting to be a jw anymore.she has also been burned by her few jw friends,and the rest are either disfellowshipped or getting divorced.it's really hard to build lasting relationships with such people in the religion.. another positive factor is that she has made 2 good "worldly" friends over the past year.i think she's starting to see that people on the outside can be nice,have morals and accept others as they are.. i hope in time she starts feeling good about this decision and that i can slowly show her the many errors of the wts.so far she agrees with many of the things i've told her but still believes it's the truth.it's a hard battle but i never tought i'd hear her say those words.. btw,she finally called a local elder to see if he can help me with my many questions.he's coming over tonight so it should be quite interesting.i think he'll be a little surprised at some of the direct questions i have;i'm also hoping that after a while he decides there's not much hope for me and just labels me an apostate and starts talking about df'ing me.that would show my wife their attitude towards answering questions that have no scriptural answers.. anyways,i'll do my best to keep you all up-dated.it can be hard to post as my wife diesn't know i come here on a regular basis.. goldminer
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My mother is annoying me, badly!!
by Gill inmy mother is seriously annoying me, now.
i have never been a patient person and only ever put up with so much before i go out firing on all cylinders - 'the fiery latin in me' i'm afraid!.
anyway, my mum wants me to 'study the bible properly' with my idiot elder cousin and his watchtower on legs wife.. these are the very people, who have shunned us with a vengeance for the last few years and who my parents asked permission from a couple of years ago, when they had a barbie, if these wonderful christians would be offended if we were invited, what with our being 'non meeting attenders'.. i said, if you want '.....' and '.....' to no longer be jws when i've finished with them then a study would be a great idea however, if you think you can change my view on the wtbts and the idiots who follow it then you've got another think coming.. we had a belter of a fight on the phone before 'she remembered' that she'd got eggs boiling on the stove!
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Does your family still think you are coming back?
by kid-A inhope springs eternal in the wts.
despite having left before even being baptized, i would have to say my parents still wholeheartedly believe i will someday come around, .
get baptized, become active and maybe even become an elder !
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Being pressured to goto meetings,
by crankytoe inhi everyone, all i wanted was a bible study, now we're at the point where we read 2 chapters in knowledge book, and the discussion turns to how i forsaking the inciting with others to worship,(something like that).
is there anything i can say to get them to accept that i'll go when/if i feel like going?.
this past weekend, they kept asking me what obstacles were in my way, i said i haven't had time, they go yeah you say that but there has to be something else, .
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A Customer really pissed me off yesterday at work: SHE WANTS TO PRAY for me
by Terry ini work in a bookstore that specializes in buying its goods directly from the public second-hand and reselling them at half price.. .
it is a large chain of 83 stores in 8 states and does about 100 million a year.. .
i'm in charge of the religion and the philosophy sections.. .
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An Unbeliever's Guide to Believing the Bible
by thinker injws believe the bible is god's word and that every word in it comes from god.
it's a waste of time to try to disprove the bible based on science or any source outside the bible, because they just don't stand up to something someone believes came from god himself.
so i've decided to use all that i've learned from jws about the bible to show them that they can't trust everything in the bible.